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Pop Will Shit Itself with Grant Morrison
Grant Morrison
Is..., an interview by Jonathan Ellis.
Introduction
Getting to Know Your Messiah - Part 1
VENI VIDI VICI ET IN ARCADIA EGO - Part 2
Deus Ex Machina - Part 3
Sin-e-ma in-va-zhon - Part 4
Occult Eroticism and Techno Zen - Part 5
Enchanter - Part 6
So what exactly
happened with your alien abduction anyway?
I was convinced
that I had been peeled from the surface of the four dimensional spacetime object
we inhabit and lifted into higher dimensional spaces and higher dimensional
times. I was told that our universe is a living single entity, the larval form
of beings who inhabit what felt like an infinite, yet enclosed 'ocean' of living
information. These beings are 'us' as we truly are, beyond the limits of one
dimensional time and three dimensional space. From in here however, within our
universe, our womb of time in which we are grown, our adult hyperselves (the
midwives who have been tending us through our universe's long development towards
maturity) appear as helpful or frightening spirits - UFOs, gods, devils, fairies
etc. monitoring the larvae's growth and ensuring that it progresses correctly
through all the necessary developmental stages towards birth. The higher reality
I was experiencing seemed completely familiar and much more real to me than
the one we currently occupy. I was Home in Eternity, far from my attachment
to the little 'Grant Morrison' body I'd been using to experience the growth
of the larval universe entity. The circumstances surrounding the event are detailed
in Fortune Hotel an anthology of travel writing edited by Sarah Champion for
Penguin Books.
If
the same experience had occurred in Biblical times I would no doubt have described
burning bushes and celestial voices. If it had happened in the Dark Ages I would
have used the language of angelic hosts and infernal spirit hierarchies. If
I was Aleister Crowley I’d have called it Aiwass and founded a religion. If
I'd been brought up with a lot of fear in the last few decades perhaps I could
have explained it as Satanic Abuse or Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. I'm a comic writer,
so my attempts to frame the experience in language sound read like surrealist
science fiction.
Following the apparent
'encounter' which was real enough emotionally and experientially that it rewired
my entire head and changed my life forever, I began to experience all manner
of weird synchronicities and I plunged deeper into some very odd and dangerous
magical spaces for a few years. Things I wrote in my comics would become true
within three weeks or three months. I felt that I was receiving constant 'downloads'
of strange cosmological information, often in bizarre compound languages. Most
of this stuff went directly into INVISIBLES (see King Mob's subterranean
Australian initiation sequence in Volume 1 18 for some of the 'compound language'
transmissions) After several weird illnesses all of which had been PREFIGURED
in the comic, I ended up in hospital with pneumonia and septicemia, fighting
for my life. This was after an encounter with Voodoo scorpion loas and, frightening
as it was at the time, I have to say that the ordeal was a breakthrough which
changed my entire life - made me happier, freer, more creative, sexier and younger
by the minute. I don’t do magic now, it does me. I feel like I'm living in one
of my own stories.
"My
tits spell Anarchy."
"The most pernicious image of all is the antichrist-hero figure. A creation
of commodity culture, he allows us to buy into an inauthentic simulation of
revolutionary praxis."
"When's the movie?"
"The hero encourages passive spectating
and revolt becomes another product to be con-sumed."
"?"
-Grant Morrison
INVISIBLES.
I don't make these
claims to seem better or weirder than anyone else. I assume anyone can do this
if they follow the instructions as I did. As a skeptic I've pursued the path
of magic for twenty years now, initially just to see if all these people like
Crowley and Peter Carroll were lying to me or not, in the same way many of my
readers now think I'm lying to them. I've proved to my satisfaction that magic
works, however and can be used by anyone who's willing to put the work in. I
want everyone to know and everyone to start using these techniques. If that
means I get ridiculed in some quarters, fine.
I now seem as mad
to some people as all the counterculture oddballs I once thought were mad but
I feel completely sane and completely in control of my life and what I want
so I have to conclude this shit definitely works for me and it works for all
the other magicians I know so I'm only ever trying to encourage everyone to
explore magic and MAKE THE LIFE YOU WANT TO LIVE IN instead of fucking moaning
all the time. The people who refuse to believe me or accuse me of hallucinating
everything on drugs are all the people who seem too scared to even prove me
wrong by TRYING the techniques I keep suggesting. Then again, if everything's
I see and do is just a drug trip I've been having then I guess my critics are
too. We're all one in hyperspace and I must be arguing with myself in order
to refine my ideas.
Funny you should
say that, while reading your abduction tale I couldn't help but jokingly think
'you sure you just didn't fall down at a rave, maybe swallow some glow stick
juice.
I've
downed enough glow juice in my time to know the difference between
tripping and reality. If this experience was available in pill form,
then you'd be able to buy it from your dealer every weekend and
everyone who got high would report a similar contact experience.
It doesn't seem to work that way. Over the last 13 years, I've ingested
every hallucinogen I could lay my hands on. What happened to me
in Nepal was NOTHING like any other drug trip I've ever taken, including
those on DMT and other high-dose tryptamines.
What constantly
shocks, disappoints and amuses me is that people constantly assume I'm lying
or mad without even trying the techniques TO SEE IF I'M NOT. I'm very baffled
by people and their lack of curiosity. When I first read Crowley, Ray Sherwin
or Peter Carroll I could scarcely believe any of it but there were clear instructions
I could follow in order to test these outlandish claims. When I performed the
ritual, I got the demon, exactly as it said on the packet. I found out that
magic produces results. I discovered that magic allows the user to ACTUALLY
make large scale changes in the surrounding reality JUST BY THINKING ABOUT IT
in the right way.
In fact, I'll ask
you the same question I ask everyone. Why did you assume I was simply tripping
instead of actually experimenting with the easy-to-follow spell instructions
in a book of magic and proving to yourself whether it's real or not? My claims
can be easily validated or refuted by a few simple tests in the comfort of ones
own universe.
Don't you want
to be able to rewrite your reality and talk to aliens?
So have you
gotten much flak from people because of your theories, stories, beliefs, practices?
Some
people treat me like I'm a fucking lunatic. The good thing is that
if they go away and do the work and realize I'm NOT lying to anyone
here, THEY'LL be seen as fucking lunatics too.
I'm
often asked how someone as weird as I'm supposed to be can survive
in the real world. Well, I'm fit, I'm healthy and I'm making lots
of money doing something I love. I have a brilliant, beautiful girlfriend,
cat pals and a global network of amazing, creative friends. I travel,
I make music, I commune with gods and spirits and have the time
of time of my life so it's quite easy to survive. I much prefer
being a loony to being on the dole.
I don’t want to
become evangelical about magic although it’s veering that way. I have nothing
to offer but my own account of fringe experiences. I’m not lying, I’m simply
trying to figure out how this stuff works by making it public and by encouraging
others to talk about their own experiments.
"There
is no God. I killed him."
-Grant Morrison
DOOM PATROL.
It's well known
you practice Chaos Magic, but have you tried any other magic's? Healing magic?
Elemental? What all does chaos magic involve?
Chaos Magic as
I understand it is simply a description for a type of modern quasi-shamanic
practice which incorporates ALL other magics, allowing the practitioner to choose
from a constantly changing postmodern menu of techniques, gods, cosmologies,
rituals etc. Chaos Magic might use a traditional Enochian ritual as the framework
for an invocation of Clive Barker’s Pinhead or Mickey Mouse. Chaos emphasizes
work and results over abstract theorizing. In addition to sorcery, it makes
use of Reichian body therapy, NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis to facilitate the
creation of multiple creative selves.
Or the opposite
of the above.
And every shade
between.
Chaos is the magic
you make for yourself, using the totems of your own experience and the gods
of your own imagination.
In 1996, willing
to try anything to save a dying cat, I allowed myself to be taught
the basic Spiritualist healing method by a lovely woman named Lettie
Moody. I used her prayer technique and my cat’s cancer (he had been
diagnosed with several tumors, including a huge growth on his jaw)
disappeared. Vets were amazed. I taught the same method over the
phone to Jill Thompson, (artist on INVISIBLES, SANDMAN, and
SCARY GODMOTHER. Learn more on Jill from her past ProFile
with PopImage. Including an extensive interview
by Christopher Butcher) and the tumor in her own cat’s leg also
disappeared. I’ve used it with other dying animals and they've stiffed
very peacefully but stiffed nevertheless. That’s all I have to report.
I think it works but I’m not sure what it is. A prayer technique
which has a heightened affect on the nervous system producing bioleletric
patterns conducive to stimulating tissue repair? Real contact with
invisible helper spirits capable of reversing some illnesses? Fuck
knows. I noticed a faint white light around my fingers but that’s
just me...
Any chaos magic
tips for your fans?
I'm putting up
all my tips as 'Magic For Moderns' on the website.
Speaking of
which, you're newly launched website has come under focus of many a fan. What
should people who haven't visited yet know before coming around? Has a schedule
been set as to updates concerning your columns, photos, mail bag excerpts, etc.?
Kristan and I usually
update the site - www.grant-morrison.com
- every week. Anything can happen on the website so it's difficult to tell people
what to expect. Plenty of sexy pictures, supercool prose, letters, discussion
and raw bleeding ideas and, most importantly, a deep sense of belonging to something
decent, worthwhile and wholesome.
And finally...
What would you like to leave as your epitaph?
On my tombstone
it will read:
I LIKE THE LOOK OF YOU...
I’M FOLLOWING YOU HOME TONIGHT...
"I’ve
shown you mine, now you show me yours."
-Grant Morrison
Huge Thanks
to Grant for taking the time for this interview and to all you who took the
time to read it. Thank You
Introduction
Getting to Know Your Messiah - Part 1
VENI VIDI VICI ET IN ARCADIA EGO - Part 2
Deus Ex Machina - Part 3
Sin-e-ma in-va-zhon - Part 4
Occult Eroticism and Techno Zen - Part 5
Enchanter - Part 6

Jonathan Ellis is Interviews Editor for PopImage.
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